What’s My Agenda?

Forced c-sections for all!! Muahahahahahahahahahaha!

That was a joke for those of you who are humor impaired. What is true is that I have an agenda. Top of the list? Safer mamas and babies.

I’m writing about this for two reasons. First of all, someone in the Fed Up Facebook group posted one of the ACNM Objectives for Healthy People 2020 and asked the Skeptical OB to write a blog post about how we can increase physiologic birth in hospitals:



I think that the goal of hospitals, doctors, midwives, and nurses should be improved outcomes and not necessarily less intervention. If there is evidence that less intervention improves outcomes, then, sure, we should strive for that. In some cases, such as elective induction before 39 weeks, I think that is the case. Overall, however, I think many of the poor outcomes in the US are unrelated to levels of intervention. It is true that the US has poorer outcomes than some countries in Europe. However, some of those European nations have both lower mortality rates AND higher rates of intervention *cough* Italy *cough*, so I’m not sure there’s even a correlation with rate of intervention and better outcomes. I do think that, in any case, experience should come after outcome on the importance scale.


The other reason I’m writing this is that I came across a comment from an older post on this blog, to which I’d neglected to reply:



I hope that my response to her makes my agenda when it comes to homebirth a little more clear:


First of all, it is true that I am *STILL* using the wonder database. It would be great if there were only RCTs regarding birth outcomes, but it’s impossible to do and get the numbers needed to show anything real. You have to have tens of thousands of births in order to show a pattern — anything less and the death numbers could be a fluke.

It is also true that many of the women who post here have been harmed because of an out-of-hospital birth with a CPM and they have not only been censored and shouted down by the natural birth community, but also ridiculed because of their experience. This blog does serve as an outlet for them in some ways.

I not against homebirth with a CNM. I believe that in certain situations (truly low risk woman, proper screening and precautions taken, location close to hospital in case of transfer), the risk approaches that of a hospital birth with an OB.

As far as what I hope to achieve…

I don’t necessarily want to have the CPM credential abolished, as many of my readers do, but I do think it’s redundant with the existence of the CM (A CM is a direct entry midwife with the same midwifery training and examination as a CNM but no nursing, currently only legal in New York and Rhode Island). If it’s going to stick around, it needs to require a minimum of a Bachelor’s degree from an actual accredited university (i.e., not Birthingway, Aviva Institute, National College of Midwifery, etc.), with the same science courses BSNs are required to take and pass with a B or better. If every CPM had the education that graduates from Bastyr have, I might be satisfied. I also want the NARM to reflect the same level of difficulty and accuracy as the AMCB exam (that CNMs and CMs take). If the requirements for a CPM aren’t changed/made more stringent, then I do want the credential abolished and would be happy to make the Certified Midwife (CM) a national certification.

Other things I’m working for:

  1.  Mandatory Licensure. Those practicing midwifery without a license should be subject to criminal and civil liability and actively prosecuted. No turning a blind eye as is currently happening, even in states where lay midwifery is illegal.
  2. Adoption of something similar to the Netherlands Obstetric Protocols for Antepartum, Intrapartum, and Maternal Postpartum Risk Assessment for homebirth in the US. While the Netherlands numbers aren’t the best, their homebirth numbers are certainly better than ours. Adopting their protocols will give homebirth midwives a solid guideline to safely serve women and families and restrict them to the low risk births in which they are trained and specialize. Those who choose to attend high risk births in violation of these regulations should be subject to supervision and/or suspension and if appropriate (ie in the case of a death as a result of their violation), civil and criminal liability.
  3. Adoption of an Infant Postpartum Risk Assessment Tool. The Netherlands protocols do not include comprehensive risk assessment for neonates, so such a tool could be composed by a team of GPs, OB/GYNs, pediatricians, and neonatal nurse practitioners.
  4. Disclosure…of training level, numbers of births attended, numbers and percentages of poor outcomes with comparison to national rates, complaints filed, malpractice lawsuits filed and settled — for all maternity care providers
  5. Immediate Suspension of the license or required supervision of any CPM involved in a maternal or infant death or major injury, pending investigation. Midwives involved in fatalities and major morbidity must be investigated and must stop practicing until it is determined that they are safe practitioners.
  6. Permanent Revocation of any CPM license after a second fatality or major injury if it has not already been revoked. A midwife might have one unlucky accident in the number of births that homebirth midwives typically attend, but a pattern of incompetence, recklessness, or negligence must not be tolerated. Once a practitioner has reached 750 births, the number of deaths allowed before suspension could be increased.
  7. Publicly Available Information about each maternity care provider’s record in a reliable online search tool. Patients must be able to see if their provider has had malpractice suits, complaints in the last 10 years, disciplinary actions, suspensions, or other indicators of poor performance.
  8. Malpractice Insurance for all CPMs and Birth Centers. Malpractice insurance is simply part of the cost of doing business as a healthcare provider. It protects consumers and the State from shouldering the costs of mistakes.
  9. Better Tracking and Public Availability of mortality and morbidity statistics.  If CPM is going to be a legitimate credential, it needs to be listed as a choice on birth certificate data. There must also be a spot for “planned homebirth” so that hospitals don’t get the blame for transfers that end in a death they could not have prevented by the time it arrived. Morbidity data is not currently collected and it needs to be.
So there you have it. My agenda is not to make homebirth illegal.  I have no naive illusions that if all I hope for comes to pass, the Gloria LeMay’s of the world will suddenly stop taking on risky clients and hiding in the closet when the sh*t hits the fan. If you spend enough time on MDC, it is pretty clear that there is no shortage of lay midwives willing to deliver footling breech post-dates twins being carried by over-40 moms in states where they are currently illegal. I do not support prosecuting parents for making risky choices that end in disaster. I do, however, support the prosecution of those who call themselves midwives and do the same. My desire is that women have the information they need to make the appropriate decisions for themselves and their babies, and that midwives are held accountable for their actions.

What changes do YOU think will make childbirth safer?

No Matter How You Run The Numbers, The Result Remains the Same:

Homebirth, with or without a non-CNM midwife, is more dangerous than giving birth in the hospital.

Keeping in mind that homebirth midwives all claim to work with only low-risk women, lets look at the numbers I posted Friday:

“This Must Be a Joke” rants and raves in the comments of the previous post, calls me biased and stupid, and claims I shouldn’t have used the numbers from 32 weeks on. Other than the insults, she has a point. (I assume she is a she. If not, I apologize profoundly.) So I re-ran the numbers. Several times. Keep in mind that homebirth midwives all claim to work only with low-risk women. If women are having footling breech babies at home, it is only because some CPMs and DEMs lack the education and skill to diagnose the problem ahead of time and are shocked to see feet coming out first down the birth canal.  Or they believe that breech is just a “variation of normal” and low risk enough for birth at home. But I digress. We’ll compare the “other midwife” category (Notice this is midwives who are not CNMs we’re talking about here. There are no women in this category who intended to give birth with their OB at the hospital and somehow ended up giving birth with a midwife in their car on the way instead) with both the hospital numbers that include high risk hospital births — those attended by all hospital caregivers — and those that are only low risk, which are the births attended by CNMs.

Here are the numbers from 37 weeks on:

 hmmm. Looks like homebirth midwives are doing even worse in comparison to the hospital than they were in the 32 weeks-and-beyond numbers. How could that be? Because the 32 week numbers were increasing the hospital death rates! Once the pregnancy approaches term, hospital numbers improve, but it sure looks like the homebirth midwives don’t. Keep in mind, homebirth midwives claim to work only with low-risk women. But wait! These numbers include those babies born before 39 weeks. We all know those are slightly more dangerous than those born after 40 weeks. What happens if you throw out weeks 37 through 39?


Even WORSE numbers for homebirth! The homebirth death rate with an other-than-CNM midwife is now virtually TWO TIMES the higher risk hospital numbers, and more than three times the lower-risk CNM numbers. Keep in mind that homebirth midwives claim they work only with low-risk women. But wait, that 42nd week can get dicey! Totally ignoring the fact that most homebirth midwives claim there’s no expiration date on pregnancy, lets just take that out of the numbers. SURELY that must be the problem for homebirth midwives.



Hmmmm…nope!  While in all three cases above — while their numbers are slightly higher than CNMs working in the hospital — homebirth CNMs have a much more reasonable rate of death than other homebirth midwife death rates, which are yet again twice as high as higher risk hospital rates and more than three times as high as lower risk hospital rates.

Ahhh, but then we have another commentor, NaturalMamaNZ, who takes issue with my numbers. She complains that I have not properly accounted for confounding factors. Fair enough, she could be right. However, a confounding variable in this case would be high risk situations- but it’s quite an anomaly because midwives themselves accept high risk patients — all the while claiming to accept only low risk patients — and create high risk situations (remember, there’s no expiration date on pregnancy…) so there is really no way to seperate that from the data because that would be “cherry picking” good numbers, just like Johnson and Daviss did in NaturalmamaNZ’s favorite study. The data shows what it shows because of the current unregulation of midwifery and the carelessness in their want to accept patients of all levels of risk. Other confounding variables can easily be accounted for by changing the comparison groups to make them more alike. In this case, I changed the search criteria to include the same criteria Johnson and Daviss used – U.S. non-hispanic white neonates of 37 weeks + gestation. I further narrowed the criteria to women between the ages of 25 and 45 attended by the “other midwife” category, in order to remove any higher risk teen moms. I also only included those women with 12 years or more of education, meaning those who are, at a minimum, high school graduates.




WHAT? These numbers are even higher!!! Two times higher than the higher risk hospital births, the ones that include all caregivers, malpresentations, fatal birth defects, and so on,  and MORE THAN THREE times higher than those numbers for the low risk women who deliver with CNMs in the hospital.

But I can hear it now. “This must be a joke” will not stand for the fact that I left women up to age 45 in the group, because we all know they are higher risk. And those numbers include other potential confounders — single mothers, lack of prenatal care, twins, etc., etc. OK. Lets run these numbers, then: non-Hispanic white, singleton, 37 weeks + gestation neonates born to married women ages 25-39 with a minimum 12 years of schooling who started prenatal care before the 7th month of pregnancy. Surely these women — who are the epitome of the woman who hires a homebirth midwife in the US — will have stats that show that homebirth is safe!


I’m shocked. SHOCKED. (that’s sarcasm, for those of you who couldn’t tell. By the time I ran these numbers, I had ceased to find any of it shocking. I kept thinking I would be proven wrong with the next set, but alas, it wasn’t the case). These numbers are just as bad. Two times as high for the higher risk hospital births, and three times as high for the lower risk ones.

These numbers are sad. Yes, sad. They represent PREVENTABLE deaths.  Preventable by restricting the kinds of births that homebirth midwives can attend and requiring much higher standards for CPM/DEM education.  Or, better yet, doing away with CPMs and DEMs altogether and requiring a CNM to attend h0mebirths.

(Keep in mind that homebirth midwives claim they work only with low-risk women.)

Just to Clarify…

We here at 10centimeters aren’t against natural birth. Several of us have even had one. We’re not even against homebirth, given the right woman and the right midwife! We support women who choose to give birth without pain relief, women who choose c-sections, women who can’t have children, women who adopt children, and women who choose not to have children at all.  What we don’t support is the way the way the leaders of the natural birth movement try to shame women into having a very specific kind of birth using misinformation, half-truths, and occasionally outright lies. We also don’t support sanctimommies bashing women for their choices. We, however, DO NOT CARE how any individual chooses to give birth.


What are we for?

  • Better training and stricter clinical standards for homebirth midwives in the US
  • Mandatory malpractice insurance for all homebirth midwives
  • Mandatory reporting of outcomes and better recording (i.e., no planned homebirth transfers counted in hospital stats, no unintentional homebirths counted in planned homebirth stats)
  • Real evidence-based maternity care, with the understanding that science/medicine changes practices as the body of evidence changes
  • Open and honest discussion without stifling one viewpoint under the guise of not wanting to scare people or being “supportive”